Showing posts with label reference used. Show all posts
Showing posts with label reference used. Show all posts

Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Angora Love

Remember this earlier post?
http://thethief1.blogspot.com/2008/02/zigag-steps-on-tack.html

I recently watched a few Laurel&Hardy shorts and in one of them I recognized the shots that Dick used as reference for the animation of Zigzag stepping on the tack. The short is called "Angora Love".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angora_Love
As a kid I watched a lot of Laurel&Hardy films on German television. Comedian Hanns Dieter Hüsch did narration and also voice over for all the characters. When I think of Laurel&Hardy I always imagine hearing his voice. You might want to search for "Die nächtliche Ziegenwäsche". There is a clip that has the shots that Dick used around the 8:50 mark.

Friday, May 9, 2008

Chase Part 2

Just a quick update to the first Chase post. Harpo Marx in Duck Soup:

Thursday, May 1, 2008

Chase Part 1

This sequence was all new material which had not been touched by Ken or Art. It's also full of optical illusions.

same scene: Neil
all: Neil

left: Neil
middle and right, same scene: Dick

left and middle, same scene: Dick
right: Dick
Dick animated all these runs very quickly. First he posed out the contact positions for one leg, plotting out the progression in space. Inbetween those he would draw the contact positions for the other leg, then do the breakdowns for the passing positions, just as he describes it in his book.


left: Dick
middle: Dick
right: Dean
The first scene has a nice trick by Roy, where he utilized the strobing effect of the circles to animate the pattern within. Later in the film Dick asked me to use the same trick to animate the hands of the Witch Mountain when the Thief is flying by.
For the second scene Dick semi-rotoscoped a scene from a Marx Brothers movie, Duck Soup, I think. I'll try to get a screengrab, hopefully tomorrow.


Dick


same scene: Dean
One of the highlights of the film with a stunning animated camera move. This appears as a long continuous scene without visible cuts, but because of the fast action and foreground elements working as a wipe there were opportunities to divide this into separate scenes. I don't know if that was the case, but it would have made the scene easier to manage.
Dick had used the idea before in Ragged Ann and Andy:...which was in turn directly inspired by Little Nemo:

Saturday, February 16, 2008

Conrad Veidt

Next week I will post more about who did what on the Throne Room sequence. For now I just have another instance of Dick using thermo prints, as a basis for the beginning of this scene:Zigzag's walk into the throne room and his hand gestures are based on a scene with German actor Conrad Veidt, probably from the 1940 film “Escape”. Veidt is playing a German general. The film is not currently available. It would be nice to have an image for the scene that Dick used. In the prints he looked just like he does in this image from “Escape”:In 1940 Veidt also played Grand Vizier Jaffar in “The Thief of Bagdad”, which was an inspiration for both the Thief and also “Aladdin”.
In 1942 he played Major Strasser in "Casablanca". He died in 1943.

Thursday, February 14, 2008

Muqaddar Ka Sikander

The first Princess scene that Dick animated and that was mentioned in the last post was drawn over thermo prints from a VHS copy that Dick had taped off TV and saved for later use.
It's actress Rekha in the 1978 film Muqaddar Ka Sikander.
(Thanks to my friend Sanjay Patel and his buddy Chiraag Bhakta for verifying this).

Throne Room, Part 1

This came in from a trusted source and I made some minor edits with the author's approval:
"Here's some stuff I remember about the 'Throne Room' sequence (not sure what it was actually called in the production). The scenes of the Princess first seeing the Cobbler as he's dragged across the drawbridge, and the following scenes in the 'Throne Room' sequence have some history behind them.
For many years the various drafts of the script for The Thief featured the twin Princesses Yum Yum and Mee Mee, one of whom was in love with a reptilian beast called Bubba. A few inspirational watercolors were produced by Dick and Errol le Cain which suggested early ideas for the look of the Princesses.
Later on, during the mid-1970s, Dick was working with the New York animator Tissa David on the production 'Raggedy Ann and Andy' and, impressed by her sensitivity animating Raggedy Ann, he hired Tissa to produce some rough animation of the two Princesses bathing and talking in the palace bathroom. Some of Tissa's rough pencil animation can still be seen in the various rough cuts of the film.In 1988 (after Dick's success with 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit') Jake Eberts became the Executive Producer of The Thief. Jake (or rather his company) invested some development money in the film and then he and Dick got Warner Bros interested, and then signed up at some point in 1989.
Jake encouraged Dick to pare down the script which was running at 160 pages plus. Two of the casualties of this process were the Princess Mee Mee and the beast Bubba, both of whom were removed from the story entirely.

Later in 1990 or 91 Dick was under pressure to produce color shots of all the main characters in the story, possibly for a presentation of the film at Cannes, so that distributors and possible merchandising partners could get a sense of how they would work on screen. Although there were already plenty of color sequences featuring the character of the Thief, as well as some color footage of the Witch, the King, Zig Zag, and the single 'Laughing Brigand' shot, there were no final shots of either the Cobbler or the Princess. Dick set about animating a shot of the Princess stepping away from the camera and looking demure, which had been inspired by a shot from a live action film (the name of which escapes me). Dick also animated the patterns of light and shadow moving over the Princess, and these drawings were traced into mattes and used by John Leatherbarrow to create a dappled, multi-colored light playing over the figure of the Princess. This single shot remained the only color example of the Princess for quite some time and was eventually used as the final shot of the Princess in the 'Throne Room' sequence. If you look closely you can see that the Princess has slightly different, slightly more naturalistic proportions in this shot, compared with any others, and this is simply because it was an early attempt to find the final look of the character. As Dick drew more scenes he refined and simplified her.Once Dick had animated several Princess scenes (the Princess at the window, the Princess waking the King, and her laughing at the end of the 'Throne Room' sequence) he assigned Alyson Hamilton to work on the Princess, keen to have a female animator develop her character. Alyson animated most of the remaining shots in the 'Throne Room' sequence.

About the same time Dick was exploring the design of the Princess he took some rough animation of the Cobbler that Art Babbitt had done as a movement test several years before, and began to develop it as a full color test. Dick had initially based the character of the Cobbler on the 'baby faced' silent comedian Harry Langdon, and taking this as his cue. Babbitt had animated a test of the Cobbler waddling about with a slightly sped up, silent film feel. Dick took this animation and refined it, drawing over it with an updated design. This was traced, painted and used as the test shot to show potential investors how the Cobbler would look on screen.

A couple of years later, when the film was fully in production, Dick gave the artwork used in this test sequence to Neil Boyle, who had to build two shots in the 'Throne Room' sequence around it. The first section of the animation was used to show the Cobbler entering the Throne Room, and Neil added some animation of the guards moving up behind him, while Andreas Wessel-Therhorn added the courtiers looking on. Then, in the next section of Art/Dick's Cobbler animation the Cobbler scuttled around erratically before turning back to the camera. Neil had to create new animation of Zig Zag producing a telescopic wand from thin air and hooking it around the Cobbler's neck as if the Cobbler was being pulled back towards us by Zig Zag.In this way, both the test shots of the Cobbler and the Princess were integrated into the final production footage."

Friday, February 1, 2008

Zigag steps on Tack

I'm picking up from the Jan. 17 post. This is most likely Alex's animation (over Ken's).


The next one is Dick's scene, working again over Ken's roughs. I'm posting one of Ken's drawings because there is quite a difference. Dick didn't like to look at or approve pose tests. He told us that he preferred looking at a scene with rough inbetweens, even bad inbetweens. In this case he even went along with questionable keys. It probably was OK for him because the action of them rolling down the stairs was clear. He knew he could solve the drawing problems later. He needed to see movement in order to know if a scene was working.
He had people in the early days inbetween Ken's drawings (which Ken drew with a brown pencil) with a blue pencil. Just for a rough linetest, so he could see the movement. The reason for the color coding was to make it easier to identify the inbetweens so that they could be quickly thrown out when it came to refining the scene.
I think over the years Dick developed a preference for refining the animation of his animators, rather than animating scenes from scratch. Which he could do brilliantly of course, but I think he just liked the final refining stage better, being able to concentrate on solving the drawing problems with the confidence of knowing that the animation was working. He had probably also discovered that he could put his stamp that way onto a lot more scenes. Of course he initially started off the Thief scenes by doing lots of character layout poses for Ken, that Ken tried to use in his animation as much as possible.

These 2 scenes are Dick's again.
It should be pointed out that he animated everything including the chicken, the nails (tacks) and scissors. All this is so well done, very convincing. It feels like live action. I'm just mentioning it because in some studios this might be considered F/X and would be animated by an effects animator. I always liked that Dick enjoyed doing things like that himself.

1st scene: re-use of Alex's Zigzag and carpet I assume. Crowd most likely by Gary Dunn (Thanks Garrett!) who did the crowd also for the other down-shots of the Zigzag walk.
I'm guessing that Dick animated the Cobbler and the Thief , even though they are so small. I imagine he would have liked to do the whole chunk.
2nd and 3rd scene, also by Dick.


These 2 images are from one scene. I mentioned in another post that Dick sometimes let characters change size within the same scene. This is one example. It is probably more acceptable in a scene on this film because the perspective is not clearly established with the use of a downview BG in combination with characters drawn in perspectiveFor the Zigzag's hopping action Dick used live action reference of actor Oliver Hardy. If you watch this scene and recognize which Laurel&Hardy film it's from, please let me know and I'll update this post.
UPDATE: http://thethief1.blogspot.com/2012/01/angora-love.html
At the time video thermo printers had become affordable and Dick used them a lot for his own version of rotoscoping. He would do the printouts on ones from video. The image size was about 3.5x5 inches.
In Europe the PAL TV standard is an animators friend. At 25 frames it's close enough to film's 24 frames to allow for convenient use of video reference. NTSC at 30 frames makes that difficult.
Dick would then tape every printout registered by the corners in to a corner of a sheet of animation paper. (More likely he would ask Roy or somebody else to do it for him.) He would shoot this and retime it in this stage. After numbering every frame he would pull out the ones he considered keys and start drawing the character on the same sheet of paper, referring to the print out but not being enslaved by it. This approach as opposed to working right on top of the live action also allowed him to change the proportions of the character as needed. Now he would put the sheet for the next key that he wanted to draw onto the pegs.
He would flip to determine how much the different elements of the live action change between the keys
and try to create the same change in his drawing. He would pose out his scene this way. This could either be done in a semi-straight ahead way, maybe on 8's or 16's or he might do a few storytelling poses and then work inbetween those to do all the keys.


I don't know who did these last 2 shots. If you do please let me know.


UPDATE: I just wanted to add s.th. to my thoughts about Dick's interest in the final clean up stage. At the front end he would provide character layouts for the animators, posing out the scene. Ken Harris stayed very close to Dick's poses. If they were not in the right place he would repeg them rather then redraw them. Ken had worked that way with Chuck Jones at Warners, utilizing the actual layout drawings in the scene as his story telling poses.
So really Dick had very strong input at the front and back end.

Monday, January 14, 2008

The Laughing Brigand


I had planned this story for sometime down the road, but since it came up in David's post I want to post it now.
As David said this scene had been around for a long time. Dick had originally animated it for academy fielding (aspect ratio). He asked me to help him shoot a linetest of this scene. He was redrawing it and widening the shoulders for widescreen. As a student just a year or two before I had watched this Brigand scene as part of the Clapperboard documentary over and over. When I watched Sleeping Beauty around the same time I spotted the similarity. Dick had always been pretty open about using live action as inspiration for some of his animation. So I didn't think it was a big secret and casually mentioned "Hey, Dick the animation from this, you took from Sleeping Beauty, right?" His face dropped and he said "Dammit... Is it that obvious?" He decided to retime it in order to make it less obvious and I was thrilled that I got to do a few of the new inbetweens for this scene.